Sparkle = Pan Chun

[montag]

Is this true? Is it common knowledge? If so, how does it make you feel?

[Pendragn]

I hadn't heard anything about this until very recently. No idea if it's true or not. I never really posted in the Happy Hour while Pan Chun was active there, so I really don't feel anything about it.

tk

[mercurial]

Checking my give-a-**** meter... Hmmm... Doesn't seem to be moving.

[daniellopi]

MIB, that's a horrible word to use.

[Pendragn]

MIB, that's a horrible word to use.
I agree. Let's keep the racial slurs to ourselves.

tk

[Gunnyman]

from now on when MiB says something, please quote it when chastising him. Kthx bye.
:D
As for the PanChun controversy, Pan was just before my time on TCF so I dunno if I have THAT strong an opinion personally, but I can agree that it is a crummy thing to do.

[daniellopi]

Because of the particular choice of words, I chose not to "repeat", only to find out after posting that it had been removed anyway.

[Ludwig van Jaethoven]

from now on when MiB says something, please quote it when chastising him. Kthx bye.


I actually have the original text in my cache still. Here

Pan Chun?

Is Montag calling Sparkle "Gunnyman"?

LOL



On a similar note, I'm going to have to ask that you change your name to something less offensive.

[keirgrey]

I remember Pan. I have no idea if Sparkle is him. Don't really give a damn either.

[mercurial]

On a similar note, I'm going to have to ask that you change your name to something less offensive.

Says the dude who's STILL holding a toilet float in his avatar?

[ybrew]

I didn't think Sparklemotion was as paranoid as Pan.

[daniellopi]

Says the dude who's STILL holding a toilet float in his avatar?

OMG, I thought it was a maraca!

[Gunnyman]

I actually have the original text in my cache still. Here



On a similar note, I'm going to have to ask that you change your name to something less offensive.

Ok how about
"N-wordman" :p

[mwhip]

MIB, that's a horrible word to use.

this made me laugh, it sounds like a mom scolding her toddler. :2funny:

[Ludwig van Jaethoven]

OMG, I thought it was a maraca!

It is a maraca, damnit!

Ok how about
"N-wordman" :p

My kosherometer gives that the green light. I'll notify the admins...

[DMHinCO]

I participated in HH back when Pan was prolific. I remember his participation pretty well. His mercurial (oops, need a different adjective) behavior wasn't what I remember the most.

But from my memory, I thought the prevailing opinion was that he died. Maybe I am incorrect.

[Ludwig van Jaethoven]

But from my memory, I thought the prevailing opinion was that he died. Maybe I am incorrect.

Not yet, at least.

[mercurial]

I'm sorry. Maraca is too close to macaca so I'm afraid you can't use that word or that avatar any more.

[daniellopi]

My kosherometer gives that the green light. I'll notify the admins...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! You're awesome.

[daniellopi]

By the way, mercurial, I love your avatar.

[Gunnyman]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! You're awesome.

NYE is gonna be FUN! :)

[daniellopi]

NYE is gonna be FUN! :)

Sorry to break your heart, sweetie, but we can't go.

[Gunnyman]

wtf?
N-wordman now sad.... :(

[Lord_Skywalker]

Says the dude who's STILL holding a toilet float in his avatar?
I'm more worried about him having the TMNT DVD in the picture. :huh:

[daniellopi]

JSYK: he almost bought a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles tv at WallyWorld today.

[daniellopi]

I'm sorry, N-wordman.:(

[Ludwig van Jaethoven]

I'm more worried about him having the TMNT DVD in the picture. :huh:

Pfftt. You name me a better movie, and I'll watch it.

The Godfather? Crap.
Star Wars? Geek crap.
Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo? Okay, that comes close.


Maybe, just maybe, Flashdance would beat it out on an off day. Depends on the strength of the Yen.

[mwhip]

Pfftt. You name me a better movie, and I'll watch it.

The Godfather? Crap.
Star Wars? Geek crap.
Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo? Okay, that comes close.


Maybe, just maybe, Flashdance would beat it out on an off day. Depends on the strength of the Yen.


Good Burger?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008OM8S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Makita]

Maybe, just maybe, Flashdance would beat it out on an off day.

I SO read this wrong... MEEP!

[montag]

Um kids, getta room and take your silly nonsense outta my thread. Thanks. :D

[Gunnyman]

it's true http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4691302#post4691302

[heySkippy]

Wow. Just wow.

[Sparkle]

Someone chose to out me. So be it. The truth is there, judge me if you wish. I'm prepared for it. Cast me out if you also wish. I'm not a good person. :(

[Guyy]

Just so no one accuses me of hiding behind user names, I'm Guyy on TCF, and hunter on TCRebel. And now Guyy here..

Anyway what I posted over at TCF I thought the whole hiding thing was not cool. And whoever out-ed you did the community a favor..

[Man In Black]

Someone chose to out me. So be it. The truth is there, judge me if you wish. I'm prepared for it. Cast me out if you also wish. I'm not a good person. :(


What is this all about?

[Gunnyman]

Someone chose to out me. So be it. The truth is there, judge me if you wish. I'm prepared for it. Cast me out if you also wish. I'm not a good person. :(

and you aren't happy unless you are reviled by others
truly sick man get help

[Pendragn]

Let's make sure this thread doesn't get too nasty, folks. :)

tk

[ybrew]

Hi Pan!

:)

[BrettStah]

Maybe this is the best thread for this... every time I see "Pan Chun" I get that "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" song in my head.

[Man In Black]

I don't understand why you did it, if people are really your friends, they wont care in the end. I'm not judging you though, I've never been in a situation like yours.

It's to be expected that people who thought "you" had died, and now finding out they were played for suckers will be rather ****ed, and you'll have to deal with that. Ya gotta take full responsibility, IMO.

I wasn't around when you used be Pan, and this revelation doesn't make me think less of you in any way, just so you know. I don't know what I would have done in your situation, so I'm in no place to judge.

[ybrew]

I'm only suprised he's not banned at TC.
Posting under multiple IDs over there is supposedly a capital offense!

[DMHinCO]

I don't go over to TC much anymore. But that thread is very interesting to me.

It is "on fire" right now. It has that "gotta read fast so I can hit refresh to see the next bunch of posts" feel.

My feelings toward Pan/Sparkle are ambivalent.

But I'd like Ed back, that's for sure.

[heySkippy]

I'm only suprised he's not banned at TC.
Posting under multiple IDs over there is supposedly a capital offense!

Nah, the capital offense is posting PMs.

[Gunnyman]

the fact that a moment of silence was held at the 1st con just turns my stomach
massive emotional manipulation

[mercurial]

I'm more worried about him having the TMNT DVD in the picture. :huh:

I just figured he was the masked plumber and that was what was plugging up the loo.. so to speak.

[knownzero]

Just so no one accuses me of hiding behind user names, I'm Guyy on TCF, and hunter on TCRebel. And now Guyy here..

Anyway what I posted over at TCF I thought the whole hiding thing was not cool. And whoever out-ed you did the community a favor..

:huh: You were hunter over there? HFC man, I totally thought you were a seperate person! Damn I'm slow! :D

[ybrew]

Nah, the capital offense is posting PMs.

Touche

[Angie]

I don't go over to TC much anymore. But that thread is very interesting to me.

It is "on fire" right now. It has that "gotta read fast so I can hit refresh to see the next bunch of posts" feel.

My feelings toward Pan/Sparkle are ambivalent.

But I'd like Ed back, that's for sure.
You know, one of the only things I regret about joining up when I did is not ever really getting to enjoy Ed (other than in archives). I missed him by a matter of months.

[ybrew]

Pan/Sparkie...

I never liked Pan. He was a paranoid little freak.
Sparkie, I like you. Your politics are whack, but you're much funnier.

You're getting way too much grief over their though. Brad says Ereth 'mourned' you? It's a freakin internet forum. Far as I know, you never told anyone you died. Stay out of that thread. You're better than them. Screw 'em.

And I'm glad you're not dead.

[Sparkle]

the fact that a moment of silence was held at the 1st con just turns my stomach
massive emotional manipulationI was far away at the time. And I only suggested I'd be somewhere unpleasant. (Seriously...call that manipulation if you like (and I wouldn't blame you), but that's all I ever did/said).

Little did I realize anyone gave a crap. Seriously. Had I realized it, i'd've never acted like I did.

But hindsight and all that. Oh well. :(

Look, I suck. I admit it. And I won't make a big deal out of it anymore!

[Makita]

:shrug:
isn't there a better place to have the TCF over-flow go?

[Sparkle]

Thanks, Glenn. I didn't quite expect that from you, but it's greatly appreciated. :)

[Angie]

:shrug:
isn't there a better place to have the TCF over-flow go?
You don't have to read it, you know. :laugh:

[Agatha]

I'm only suprised he's not banned at TC.
Posting under multiple IDs over there is supposedly a capital offense!

Except he isn't using multiple ID's at one time. He's just chosen to switch ID's. He gave the other one up. Avaloncourt has changed userid's. As have you. :D

[Turtleboy]

Except he isn't using multiple ID's at one time. He's just chosen to switch ID's. He gave the other one up. Avaloncourt has changed userid's. As have you. :D

Multiple times.

[ybrew]

Well, yeah, but only post-banning.

And sparkle, I never understood why anyone thought you were dying/dead. They read what they wanted to read in your posts.

Not your fault.

[Ludwig van Jaethoven]

Can we get this thread back on track? You know, to when it was funny?

Toilet dealy! TMNT RULEZ!!1!!shiftone N-wordman!

[Gunnyman]

Fo Shizzle my Jizzle :p

[Sparkle]

I was wrong and did the wrong thing. There's no jocular excuse for it. And I regret it. Here, there, and on TCR for that matter. I'm just not out to screw anyone over...what I've done I've brung on myself. :(

[Mikkel_Knight]

I was wrong and did the wrong thing.
Yup. No two ways about that...

There's no jocular excuse for it.
Again - no excuse. Especially after the whole "not dead yet" pop-in/pop-out that had the board buzzing for a couple of days. I'm with Glenn on one thing. I never liked Pan Chun. Pan Chun was a twisted paranoid stalker azzhole who thought he was better than anybody and everybody. Frankly, it was good to see that he may have died. Always thought Sparklemotion was a decent person (though recently was way lacking the mental stability thing with the whole Anubis pile of crap that you pulled for weeks and weeks (though to be fair, she was also poking the bear with the stick as well). Then the whole Edhara post-stalking...

Dude - it's clear that you need some mental help and I urge you to get it.

What you did to so many people who cared about you (Glenn of course doesn't quite "get it" even though he's been to a "meet") was horrible. Yeah, it's an internet board, but relationships can develop (despite Glenn's inability to fathom such a thing) and you manipulated and distorted those relationships for (what appears to be in hindsight) your own personal pleasure and game. That's the part that makes you a douchebag about this whole deal. That it became a "game" to you at some point.

And I regret it.
Good - because you should.

Here, there, and on TCR for that matter. I'm just not out to screw anyone over...what I've done I've brung on myself. :(
Yup. And what you do from here on out will also be upon yourself. There are several who want to give you a chance. There are several who will forgive - some who will even forgive and forget. What you choose to do with that is up to you.

[mercurial]

Not your fault.

He let them believe it even though he new it hurt people. That's certainly his fault. He had every power in the world to NOT do it.

[Mikkel_Knight]

Not your fault.

He let them believe it even though he new it hurt people. That's certainly his fault. He had every power in the world to NOT do it.
Something I'm sure ybrew will never be able to comprehend...

[montag]

Yeah, I don't get Ybrew's comments at all...

What's next, Sparkle=Ybrew?

:D

[ybrew]

Well I never liked Pan. Sparkle is much more tolerable.
I'm curious - did pan/sparkle ever say he was dying or simply say he was sick, going away, and might not ever come back?

if he said the second, he didn't lie or deceive.
And Ereth's little dramatic post was a tad over the top.
I'm also guessing no one ever met pan chun in person. How they were able to forge such strong bonds with pan while typing with him is a bit naive.

[WinBear]

Wasn't the Pan Chun dying thing related to his "user text" saying something like "fading fast" for a long time and then, of course, not dead yet.

[heySkippy]

Well I never liked Pan. Sparkle is much more tolerable.
I'm curious - did pan/sparkle ever say he was dying or simply say he was sick, going away, and might not ever come back?

if he said the second, he didn't lie or deceive.
And Ereth's little dramatic post was a tad over the top.
I'm also guessing no one ever met pan chun in person. How they were able to forge such strong bonds with pan while typing with him is a bit naive.
And ybrew continues his streak of being wrong about just about everything.

Hey, at least you're consistant, except when you're not. You got that going for ya!

[Marc]

As an aside, I see that the user reputation system is being used. Sparkle has the dubious honor of being the first person to score a negative reputation on here. His reputation icon has gone to a light shade of red, and if you hover your mouse over it, it says "Sparkle has a little shameless behaviour in the past".

[ybrew]

Rather than just saying I'm wrong, please tell me where I'm wrong.

My post:

Well I never liked Pan. Sparkle is much more tolerable.
What is wrong about that? That's my opinion and I stick by it

I'm curious - did pan/sparkle ever say he was dying or simply say he was sick, going away, and might not ever come back?
Is it wrong to ask a question? I never remember him saying he was dying. I'm generally curious to know what was said. Fading fast could easily leaving (which he did - he went to prison).
if he said the second, he didn't lie or deceive.
he left. If he didn't say he was dying, where was the deception

And Ereth's little dramatic post was a tad over the top.
my opinion and I completely stand by this. "you sir are no pan chun"? Please

I'm also guessing no one ever met pan chun in person. How they were able to forge such strong bonds with pan while typing with him is a bit naive.
Did anyone meet pan chun or did they only meet sparkle? I find it hard to believe folks met him as Pan if he did in fact meet people as his new persona

So please rather than just saying I'm wrong, point out where I'm wrong. it's the only way I'll learn.

Peace.
And ybrew continues his streak of being wrong about just about everything.

Hey, at least you're consistant, except when you're not. You got that going for ya!

[Chapper]

I think it is just sad that this whole thing had to happen. It seemed so avoidable...

[BrettStah]

If he would have gotten shanked in prison, this whole mess would have never happened.

Isn't it better that he actually didn't die, as some suspected?

[Mikkel_Knight]

Rather than just saying I'm wrong, please tell me where I'm wrong.

My post:

Well I never liked Pan. Sparkle is much more tolerable.
What is wrong about that? That's my opinion and I stick by it

I'm curious - did pan/sparkle ever say he was dying or simply say he was sick, going away, and might not ever come back?
Is it wrong to ask a question? I never remember him saying he was dying. I'm generally curious to know what was said. Fading fast could easily leaving (which he did - he went to prison).
if he said the second, he didn't lie or deceive.
he left. If he didn't say he was dying, where was the deception

And Ereth's little dramatic post was a tad over the top.
my opinion and I completely stand by this. "you sir are no pan chun"? Please

I'm also guessing no one ever met pan chun in person. How they were able to forge such strong bonds with pan while typing with him is a bit naive.
Did anyone meet pan chun or did they only meet sparkle? I find it hard to believe folks met him as Pan if he did in fact meet people as his new persona

So please rather than just saying I'm wrong, point out where I'm wrong. it's the only way I'll learn.

Peace.
Just because there your opinions, doesn't mean they're not wrong... (or misinformed or just plain stupid)

As for meeting Pan, yes - it was posted that someone HAD met him. I'm not going to be your little internet babysitter and go find it for you - do that yourself. But someone did post that they had physical real-world interactions with him. Whether it was at TCR, TCF, or AC I don't remember... but I do remember the whole "is he dead, who has met him/seen him, have you seen him lately or have any contact with him, nope, well, I guess he really could have died then".

Where was the deception?

That's thinking like a retard. It's all about inferrence and inuendo. He allowed it to happen, he even encouraged it. Did he come out and say "I'm dying"? No. Do you come out and say "I lusted in my heart at that woman over there"? Probably not. But you still have. Therefore, are you being deceptive?

WTF dude... I was right... you're not bright enough to pull something like that off...

It is amusing to watch you be wrong time and time again at least...

[Pendragn]

Okay, ease up. I'm not going to be tolerant of any person attacks. Stuff like "you're not bright enough" and "Thinking like a retard" cross the line. This is the last warning in this thread. Keep it civil. No personal attacks.

tk

[LlamaLarry]

Add me to the short list of folks that don't mind, but I would imagine that that same list correlates very well with those that never "met" him online.

How long until you guys let Sparkle off the hook?

Outed or not, he came clean publicly, yet for some reason seems to be fair game for open judgement with a healthy helping of anger/disgust for good measure. This seems to run counter to the way most indicated their proclivity for judging others in another recent thread and with their disdain for those that might do so.

[ybrew]

Ereth,

Of course I'm reading it.
And it's two N's by the way.
Your post was overdramatic. I'm sure you mourned pan. But I still don't understand how anyone KNEW he was dead. There may have been suspicion, but folks acted like it was a confirmed fact. I'm curious what you and Lori and others based this on. It was presented as fact that Pan Chun died. Unless those who knew this talked to someone close to pan (doug) after his passing, how could anyone know for a fact he was dead?

[Mikkel_Knight]

Add me to the short list of folks that don't mind, but I would imagine that that same list correlates very well with those that never "met" him online.

How long until you guys let Sparkle off the hook?

Outed or not, he came clean publicly, yet for some reason seems to be fair game for open judgement with a healthy helping of anger/disgust for good measure. This seems to run counter to the way most indicated their proclivity for judging others in another recent thread and with their disdain for those that might do so.
FWIW, he's not on any "hook" from me...

But he needs to realize/accept/acknowledge that he created this himself and it isn't, wasn't, nor will it ever be anybody elses "fault" but his own...

That's where I believe he is going wrong - that he refuses to acknowledge he played the sole role in the whole fiasco...

[LlamaLarry]

Jesus, this didn't start off long, but it sure ended up that way. Some of this stuff I ramble on about was sent in as a Confessional, but I rescinded it before it was posted. I like you guys and I was just too afraid that my train of thought would just be more than this community would be willing to bear and I would have to leave it.

That's where I believe he is going wrong - that he refuses to acknowledge he played the sole role in the whole fiasco...See now *that* I can get on board with, but I'm not sure some folks will ever see him as contrite enough to salve their bruised feelings or ever find his justifications meet their personal yardsticks. This is my real concern.

TCR/TCF are very special boards, no doubt. In ~21 years of being online I've never seen, or heard of, anything like it. In that same time frame I have never been as honest about myself nor ever considered meeting people from other boards IRL. That I am still a pussy and have never done so is not as much the point as me wanting to. :p

That being said, both of these communities are just as quick with the venom as the love. I am confused by folks post-PC that feel justified to attack him, some even admitting that they are attacking him in step with others that were directly affected. I'm not sure how to take that his action on another board affects his reputation here, notwithstanding that his second post here was to admit his errors in judgment. I do get why the pre-SM folks feel hurt, I really do, but I can't say what I would have done in his stead. If these communities were as accepting and non judgmental as they proclaim to be I bet we'd hear more posts of failures, shortcomings, errors in judgment and corrections of previous falsehoods. If anything the thread on TCF has made it quite clear, its that if you've ever have one of those on your soul TCF is not a safe place to reveal it.

I have a friend, a real friend - not friend as in me ;) , changing genders. She considers her previous version as dead and requests that I do so and refrain from bringing him up in her presence. Problem is that this guy was a dear friend and I'm having a hard time both revising our decade long history and in applying what I know now to what I knew then. Maybe she'll change her mind someday and my friend will get to be alive in my memories, just not here anymore. I have no idea what I would do in her (gigantic) shoes or agree with her decision, but then I don't have to.

I've never been to jail but I can imagine that it is a life altering event, no matter what you did or which jail you went to. Cells lock up more than your body and the people I know that did time aren't the same ones that went in. This coupled with the fact you'll have to tell people that hold you in high regard that you're going to jail, that want to know what you did or want their personal "Scared Straight" when he gets out would be more than enough for me to give a do over pass.

Anyhoo... Sparkle you're one of the funniest people I've ever met and I always look forward to reading your posts whenever they show up. Sorry you have to deal with the results of your decisions, even sorrier that times like this all too often shine a light on the ugly side our community covers with hugs, kisses and smilies.

[Timbeau]

I think what Sparkle/Pan did has hurt a lot of people, I don't think he meant to though. He made a lot of choices that in retrospect were real bad ones but life has a way of making bad choices seem like the correct ones at the time.

I can understand the feeling that "If I own up to this like everyone will hate me so I just won't say anything." We've all done that to some minor extent, Sparkle/Pan did it in a major way.

When someone does something like this that seems just so wrong I like to think back and see what my impressions of the person were before the event. I always thought SparkleMotion was a pretty nice guy, his humor was lighthearted, never mean spirited. To me that says a lot about a person and makes me think that he never had an intention to hurt anyone. Lately his posts have been a bit emotionally needy and that makes me think that the deception had to do with some emotional need.

So do I think he's a dirtbag? Do I hate him for what he did to all the people that felt close to him? Nahhh. One thing I know is that we're all just trying to get through life the best way we know how. Everyone makes some bad choices along the way and as long as a person isn't out to intentionally hurt another or makes too many bad choices, I think they are ok.

Nowadays I think that SparkleMotion is a pretty funny guy, sometimes more emotionally needy that most and prone to bad choices, but basically a nice guy.

[Gunnyman]

FWIW, he's not on any "hook" from me...

But he needs to realize/accept/acknowledge that he created this himself and it isn't, wasn't, nor will it ever be anybody elses "fault" but his own...

That's where I believe he is going wrong - that he refuses to acknowledge he played the sole role in the whole fiasco...

A snide apology is no apology for sure. Self effacing bullcrap like "Sorry I'm really not dead" is just more of the same.
MK Add Greenville SC as a place you can hang your hat sir.

[Mysteryman]

I can understand if the man behind Pan Chun was not happy with the personality or actions of Pan Chun and wanted to leave that behind. He should have made a graceful exit instead of how he did. There would have even been more acceptance if Sparkle had come forward and admitted the change himself. A person is defined by what you say and how you act. He has a bruise right now from this most recent incident. In time if he continues to be the sparkle we've come to know, it will pass too.

[Turtleboy]

I can understand if the man behind Pan Chun was not happy

But Sparklemotion, in his public posts, acted and behaved exactly like Pan Chun. It was very clear to me for a long time, that it was almost the same person.

The only reason why I doubted, the only reason why I wasn' 100% sure, is because I couldn't believe someone would do such a thing. It made no sense to me that someone would behave in such a manner.

[Angie]

Hang on a sec. Who is Glenn?

[JYoung]

But Sparklemotion, in his public posts, acted and behaved exactly like Pan Chun. It was very clear to me for a long time, that it was almost the same person.

The only reason why I doubted, the only reason why I wasn' 100% sure, is because I couldn't believe someone would do such a thing. It made no sense to me that someone would behave in such a manner.

I don't know, TB.
I didn't put it together because SM seemed to be more low key that PC who would go on occasional rants.

[keirgrey]

Hang on a sec. Who is Glenn?ybrew

[ybrew]

dAmN. I'm out of the closet!

[JYoung]

dAmN. I'm out of the closet!

ybrew is gay. I always suspected.....

[ybrew]

I deserve some reputation points for my last post.
Throw me a bone.

(oops)

[mmg]

Obvious reaction formation, ybrew...

[Guyy]

I deserve some reputation points for my last post.
Throw me a bone.

(oops)
If you are out of the closet get your own bone! ;)

[Angie]

dAmN. I'm out of the closet!
Your name is Glenn and you're a conservative Christian???

Are you sure you're not my Dad? ;)

[ybrew]

That's right angie.

Who's your daddy!

[Makita]

ybrew

Hang on a sec. Who is Glenn?

So, if Ybrew in Glenn, then who is Montag? Angie?
:)
Wait, isn't the OT of the Post 'Favorite Christmas Cookie Recipes?'

[Otto]

My $0.02:

Who?

Sorry, but neither name rings much of a bell. I mean, I've probably read posts he made before, but not something that stands out. Of course, I rarely read the names on posts anyway, so this is not the shocker for me that it seems to be for everybody else.

As far as usernames/handles and such go, I've never understood the point of changing one's name. I use Otto pretty much everywhere except at work. Okay, so it's not my real name, but still... I'm me. I can't be bothered to try to be somebody else.

[Marco]

Has SM been banned (temp- or perma-)?

[Gunnyman]

per JAP he has a 1 week temp ban

[mwhip]

per JAP he has a 1 week temp ban

For what? Creating multiple accounts?

[Super Dave]

Has SM been banned (temp- or perma-)?

I tried to get answer last night, his username is erased in the members section and today ML had this response "Some people are going to join "sparkie" if new threads keep getting created about this..."

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4699322&&#post4699322

Originally he replied it was a self imposed exile or break, but PC's usermane is still active in the members list. No record of SM. Here is the page to save you the time it takes to find it:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/memberlist.php?do=getall&page=85&ltr=S&pp=50&order=asc&postslower=0&postsupper=0&sort=username&ausername=&homepage=&icq=&aim=&yahoo=&msn=&joindateafter=&joindatebefore=&lastpostafter=&lastpostbefore=

[scoblitz]

I can't say I "knew" either of him really - but I feel I have learned everything I need to know from his actions over the last 2 days

SB

[Guyy]

OK so does anyone know what he was in the joint for?

(Stealing DTV? :) )

[bigpuma]

For what? Creating multiple accounts?

Yes, JAP said he was given a 1 week temp ban for creating multiple accounts and that if he did it again it would be permanent.

[Makita]

OK so does anyone know what he was in the joint for?
(Stealing DTV? :) )
Nope, he was caught creating multiple accounts on TCF. The same, the shame! :(
He said it was for Martha Stewart/White Collar kinda thing...

[Guyy]

Nope, he was caught creating multiple accounts on TCF. The same, the shame! :(
He said it was for Martha Stewart/White Collar kinda thing...
That's pretty vage, white collar could be scaming old folks out of their money, or stealing credit cards numbers. I don't think you go to prison for bad taste.

[JYoung]

I thought Martha went to the Big House for insider trading.

[Guyy]

I thought Martha went to the Big House for insider trading.So it wasn't for bad taste? or being a ***** (can I say that here?) Still would like to know what the charge was..

guess not :(

[trojanrabbit]

I thought Martha went to the Big House for insider trading.

More specifically for lying about her involvement. (perjury)

[Ninny]

Even if he told you what he went to jail for, would you believe him? Do you even believe he went to jail?

I am at the point where I believe nothing he has ever told me, and will probably believe nothing he ever tries to tell me. The trust is broken.

[Lori]

Ereth,

Of course I'm reading it.
And it's two N's by the way.
Your post was overdramatic. I'm sure you mourned pan. But I still don't understand how anyone KNEW he was dead. There may have been suspicion, but folks acted like it was a confirmed fact. I'm curious what you and Lori and others based this on. It was presented as fact that Pan Chun died. Unless those who knew this talked to someone close to pan (doug) after his passing, how could anyone know for a fact he was dead?

Just for the record, I never said that I *knew* that he was dead. I searched for an obituary online and never found one. What I said was that, based on conversations that Pan and I had offline, I believed him to be dead.

And I did. People would comment on my DVD copy of Once More with Feeling (pre the official release) and I would say, my friend Doug made that for me. He died.

I believed it. But I never asserted it.

[Guyy]

Even if he told you what he went to jail for, would you believe him? Do you even believe he went to jail?

I am at the point where I believe nothing he has ever told me, and will probably believe nothing he ever tries to tell me. The trust is broken.No, but if someone had a link to the story (or mug shot?). That would be good, I just wonder if it was for real..

[Turtleboy]

If you have enough knowledge to find it, there is proof that he went to jail.

[Guyy]

If you have enough knowledge to find it, there is proof that he went to jail.But I'm lazy!! :)

[Ninny]

If you have enough knowledge to find it, there is proof that he went to jail.
Does this mean you found it? Or are you speaking in general terms?

[JediCowboyD]

Just for the record, I never said that I *knew* that he was dead. I searched for an obituary online and never found one. What I said was that, based on conversations that Pan and I had offline, I believed him to be dead.

And I did. People would comment on my DVD copy of Once More with Feeling (pre the official release) and I would say, my friend Doug made that for me. He died.

I believed it. But I never asserted it.

Oh. Dear. God.

[eddyj]

Oh. Dear. God.
Didn't you crap enough on people on the TCF thread? Just because YOU do not unerstand or are unable to form online friendships does not mean that others cannot. It does not make you any better. It does not make them idiots. If makes them good people.

[IndyJones1023]

Seriously, Jedi. What's gotten into you? Why are you looking down on so many people? Have you always thought yourself better than the rest of us? I mean, you went to DC last summer. Why? To see how weird we were?

[Angie]

Does this mean you found it? Or are you speaking in general terms?
I know Jay made comments that he'd verified it somehow (but requested people not PM him about it.) I can't find the post at the moment, sorry.

[Super Dave]

To see how weird we were?
How weird were you? ;);)


Just kidding of course, but how could I resist.

[Gunnyman]

If you have enough knowledge to find it, there is proof that he went to jail.

it helps to be a lawyer I imagine. :D

[Gunnyman]

Didn't you crap enough on people on the TCF thread? Just because YOU do not unerstand or are unable to form online friendships does not mean that others cannot. It does not make you any better. It does not make them idiots. If makes them good people.

I thought he just hated fat people :D

[BrettStah]

Short men tend to be a-holes, in my experience. Anyone else notice this?

[bsnelson]

Oh. Dear. God.Care to elaborate?

Brad

[Turtleboy]

Short men tend to be a-holes, in my experience. Anyone else notice this?

Yes I have.

[Lori]

Care to elaborate?

Brad

Yeah, I'm a little curious about that myself.

[JediCowboyD]

Care to elaborate?

Brad

I am elaborating and writing a response at the moment. It's going to take a little bit because I'm a slow typist, want to be exact, but most of all because Indy's and Eddyj's comments really got to me and I'm trying to respond without letting petty anger interfere with my words.

Look, I really do like you guys and don't think ill of any of you at all. I know that at times I can be very intense and direct, and you'd see it more in person. I rarely get heavily involved in online debates because I know my written directness comes across just as it is now.

Give me a little bit here and you'll have the elaboration you want.

[Michael]

I wonder what Jedi would think if he found out that I met my very large wife over the internet!!:rolleyes:


Okay, so I didn't actually meet my wife on the internet!! :2funny:

[JediCowboyD]

Just an update: Life got in the way. Still writing.

[bigpuma]

Just an update: Life got in the way. Still writing.

You take longer to write than Fofer does to process. ;)

[JediCowboyD]

I'm glad I stopped a while ago. As tired as I am now, I'd just ramble on and make no sense. And Tomorrow's Christmas shopping. Hope I make it back from King of Prussia in time to write some more tomorrow evening.

[heySkippy]

^^ I vote you don't bother. You made yourself quite clear in the other thread. No point in starting a **** storm here too.

[Mikkel_Knight]

^^ I vote you don't bother. You made yourself quite clear in the other thread. No point in starting a **** storm here too.
Agree...

There's no reason to crap in multiple threads showing us how superior you over everyone to have known that he had never died.

just go away...

[mercurial]

Yes I have.

Nah... You're just crotchety...

[Michael]

I will state it here as I said elsewhere... Those people that were not directly affected by those events should not be posting in this thread. You may bring a certain viewpoint to the discussion, but you were not directly affected by it. Follow me out the door and we slowly back out of this thread.... ;)

[aindik]

More specifically for lying about her involvement. (perjury)

Martha Stewart was convicted of lying to police and federal investigators. She was not under oath at the time of her alleged false statements. She was not in court or giving a deposition. She was being questioned by the cops, essentially. It was not perjury.

/end hijack

[Makita]

You don't have to read it, you know. :laugh:
I am an American.
This is a Car-Accident.
Do the Math! ;)

[Angie]

I am an American.
This is a Car-Accident.
Do the Math! ;)
Yup.:D Now THAT math I can do!