Who's Ping? (And capable networks ain't seeing the love)

[ybrew]

Interesting discussion:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=374544

From JoeyJoJo's last response, I almost thought *I* was ping.

[Otto]

I have no idea what underlying subtext is going on in that thread because I do not read TC on a regular basis.

However, from that thread alone, JoeyJoJo strikes me as being kind of a dick.

Just sayin'.

[JoeyJoJo]

Interesting discussion:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=374544

From JoeyJoJo's last response, I almost thought *I* was ping.

You may not be he, and he may not be you, but there's enough similiarities to warrant suspicion.

[JoeyJoJo]

I have no idea what underlying subtext is going on in that thread because I do not read TC on a regular basis.

However, from that thread alone, JoeyJoJo strikes me as being kind of a dick.

Just sayin'.


Just completely irritated with the bitching about minor stuff. I would have thought you would base your opinions on more than one topic/thread. Apparently not.

[ybrew]

Interesting discussion:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=374544

From JoeyJoJo's last response, I almost thought *I* was ping.

You may not be he, and he may not be you, but there's enough similiarities to warrant suspicion.


Ah. So it was directed at me.


Don't ask, Don't Tell.

[JoeyJoJo]

Interesting discussion:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=374544

From JoeyJoJo's last response, I almost thought *I* was ping.

You may not be he, and he may not be you, but there's enough similiarities to warrant suspicion.


Ah. So it was directed at me.


Don't ask, Don't Tell.


Well, this is the second time I've seen you point out that you weren't ping, so I guess that is that.

[ybrew]

You may not be he, and he may not be you, but there's enough similiarities to warrant suspicion.


Ah. So it was directed at me.


Don't ask, Don't Tell.


Well, this is the second time I've seen you point out that you weren't ping, so I guess that is that.

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

[JoeyJoJo]

I have no idea what underlying subtext is going on in that thread because I do not read TC on a regular basis.

However, from that thread alone, JoeyJoJo strikes me as being kind of a dick.

Just sayin'.


... and just as a point of fact, I WAS going for a dicky posting style in response to what I considered a dickwad move by the OP (who isn't ybrew)

[JoeyJoJo]

Ah. So it was directed at me.


Don't ask, Don't Tell.


Well, this is the second time I've seen you point out that you weren't ping, so I guess that is that.

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

Maybe you're just falling asleep and Tyler Durden/Ping is taking over.

[grondramb]

Just completely irritated with the bitching about minor stuff. I would have thought you would base your opinions on more than one topic/thread. Apparently not.

I also didn't have an opinion of you before this - but its pretty negative now.

[JoeyJoJo]

Just completely irritated with the bitching about minor stuff. I would have thought you would base your opinions on more than one topic/thread. Apparently not.

I also didn't have an opinion of you before this - but its pretty negative now.


... And honestly I should care why?

[Mysteryman]

Just completely irritated with the bitching about minor stuff. I would have thought you would base your opinions on more than one topic/thread. Apparently not.

I also didn't have an opinion of you before this - but its pretty negative now.


... And honestly I should care why?

...and I didn't have a negative opinion about you Joey until this post.

You should care because sometimes we don't understand that our actions are being perceived as negative. If it takes someone to say this, then perhaps a reexamination is in order.

[grondramb]

... And honestly I should care why?

It would be kind of inconsistent and frankly, a little bit disappointing if you did. I would likely have felt bad.

[grondramb]

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

You're too smart to have posted this thread about your ID over there, if you have one. Your case escalated further than anybody else's.

[JoeyJoJo]

I also didn't have an opinion of you before this - but its pretty negative now.


... And honestly I should care why?

...and I didn't have a negative opinion about you Joey until this post.

You should care because sometimes we don't understand that our actions are being perceived as negative. If it takes someone to say this, then perhaps a reexamination is in order.

Oh, I am well aware that some may consider my opinions in that thread on TCF in a negative light. I am also aware that I will not be perceived well by everyone. I don't try to be liked by everyone. I say what I think and some may like me and some may not. Quite frankly, there is no possible way that ping posted that thread other than to be a douche. The fact that he/she mentioned legal action because the discussion was moved to the ops center proves it.

Under Bott's ownership, that thread would have gone poof -- instead they kept it open even though it's merely a trolling opportunity. That says a lot about the new owners. The are willing to hear dissenting opinions and even may act on them.

A large number of people are just being jerks because they feel that they are owed something by the site/owners. Thats simply crap. The ONLY reason they have that site is to make money. They are making money by placing ads on the forum HORRORS and actually have a way for those who don't want the ads to not see them that also includes some additional perks. And in addition to that, they thought they'd offer another nice incentive to join the club for the ungodly price of $0.08 per day. If those who don't like that idea are free to express their opinions and even publish ways to get around the ads on the site (which I can't fathom why the owners would even entertain that for a moment) I am free to express my opinions on why they are being asshats.

But I guess that's what happens when you attack the band.

[JoeyJoJo]

... And honestly I should care why?

It would be kind of inconsistent and frankly, a little bit disappointing if you did. I would likely have felt bad.

OH! Cool. Thanks, now I understand.

[eddyj]

For the record, I know Joey is not a dick. He is a young kangaroo.

And while he was pretty blunt in that thread, I am also tired of all the crap with the membership stuff. Just pay up or not, but shut up already. I don't care which you do, but just stop!

[Skittles]

For the record, ping != ybrew.

Joey... I hope you know I think you are an awesome guy. Having met you in person, and interacted with you on a limited basis online, I think you're all right. And hopefully, you know I've never ever had a beef with you.

But honestly, some of the stuff you've said today makes you look a lot worse than you are. Or at least, a lot worse than how you are in relation to how I regard you. I understand that you're frustrated and all, and maybe you're just having a bad day. But I can kind of see why people are disappointed in your posts.

[grondramb]

For the record, ping != ybrew.

Joey... I hope you know I think you are an awesome guy. Having met you in person, and interacted with you .


Its amazing how differently that sentence reads if you mistake one word and see it as "Having met you in prison"

[Skittles]

And while he was pretty blunt in that thread, I am also tired of all the crap with the membership stuff. Just pay up or not, but shut up already. I don't care which you do, but just stop!To be fair, these are people that feel they have a legitimate concern. In a lot of cases, these folks are pretty uncomfortable with the changes going on with relation to the ads, and being forced into a subscription to get rid of an ad column that they've never had before.

A lot of those people feel like they're getting subtly forced into getting a TC Club subscription. As someone with a subscription, I can understand their beef.

Are they going a little overboard? Sure.

But some of the responses to these people have really been unnecessary. I saw one the other day that said something along the lines of 'get a subscription or quit your bitchin'. It's one thing to disagree with a person, another to summarily dismiss them and be disrespectful about it.

So there are problems on both sides of this argument. I don't think either side is handling this right. And I'm seeing a lot of sides of a lot of people that I have never seen before, and it kind of makes me sad to see this happening. The only real losers here are all of us. Club members or not, we still coexist. I just wish everyone, on both sides, could get back to normal. Or at the very least, respect the differences.

[JoeyJoJo]

For the record, ping != ybrew.

Joey... I hope you know I think you are an awesome guy. Having met you in person, and interacted with you on a limited basis online, I think you're all right. And hopefully, you know I've never ever had a beef with you.

But honestly, some of the stuff you've said today makes you look a lot worse than you are. Or at least, a lot worse than how you are in relations to how I regard you. I understand that you're frustrated and all, and maybe you're just having a bad day. But I can kind of see why people are disappointed in your posts.


I do understand that Skittles. I even understand why people may be disappointed in how I said what i said, But as you point out I'm frustrated with the way people are acting about the ads, the upgrade, and the club. It's reached such an assanine and absurd level that I felt the only way to deal with it was on that same level. The new owners have been bending over backwards to make TCF work and to listen to the community, and honestly I can't understand why people are being such jerks about it. So, Ping isn't ybrew, and many seem to know that "officially." That doesn't matter. My opinion of him/her is the same -- it is a formerly banned member posting under a new ID with an axe to grind.

[Skittles]

I do understand that Skittles. I even understand why people may be disappointed in how I said what i said, But as you point out I'm frustrated with the way people are acting about the ads, the upgrade, and the club. It's reached such and assanine and absurd level that I felt the only way to deal with it was on that same level. The new owners have been bending over backwards to make TCF work and to listen to the community, and honestly I can't understand why people are being such jerks about it. I do think that the folks fighting the ad bar are going about it the wrong way. That, I don't disagree with.

And I do agree that the owners are doing their best to get TCF working again, and back to a similar state it was in prior to the upgrade. And I'll be the first to admit that their new server upgrades, plus the software update, have fixed a LOT of problems.

But this club thing with the ads is happening almost outside of that. These are people that never had a disruption in threads before. And I'd be willing to wager that a lot of these people never had AdBlock on before, because the old layout for ads never really interfered with browsing habits. But now that they *are* interfering, it's cause for concern for these folks.

I think that what's getting lost in the shuffle and frustrations is that many of these folks would actually be OK with these ads if they weren't in a sidebar column that screws up the formatting. They aren't protesting the fact that there are more ads, as much as they're protesting the placement, and that the only reasonable solution (AdBlock / RIP aside) is that they are being told to pony up $30.

I can see why they are pissed. But I don't agree with how hostile they are getting. And the lack of an answer from Capable isn't helping matters.

So, Ping isn't ybrew, and many seem to know that "officially." That doesn't matter. My opinion of him/her is the same -- it is a formerly banned member posting under a new ID with an axe to grind.I'd be willing to concede that ping may have been trying to push buttons to an extent, although I'm a bit reluctant to say that was his entire M.O.

But isn't it possible he genuinely was concerned about that? I mean, if he just PM'ed the Capable Admins, he wouldn't understand the legal sense of the situation, which is where he was going with the initial question. Do I think he was trying to get a change made to the 'contest', because of some of the rules and the questionable nature of it? Absolutely I do. But I don't think he was doing so with the intention of having the contest shut down. I just think he wanted a change.

[JoeyJoJo]

But isn't it possible he genuinely was concerned about that? I mean, if he just PM'ed the Capable Admins, he wouldn't understand the legal sense of the situation, which is where he was going with the initial question. Do I think he was trying to get a change made to the 'contest', because of some of the rules and the questionable nature of it? Absolutely I do. But I don't think he was doing so with the intention of having the contest shut down. I just think he wanted a change.

I could concede that right up t the point where he/she mentioned legal action because the thread was moved to the ops center, not closed not elimintated from debate, moved to the place where the owners had said to put discussions about the upgrade and operations. He/she lost the audience that he/she was trying for and got mad. To me that's telling.

[grondramb]

On the ads - I was actually looking forward to better targeted ads - I look at a lot of electronics and look at ads all the time - I though they might attract some good ones.

But they put them in the side bar so I killed the ads. I don't really see an issue beyond that.

[grondramb]

The new owners have been bending over backwards to make TCF work and to listen to the community, and honestly I can't understand why people are being such jerks about it. So, Ping isn't ybrew, and many seem to know that "officially." That doesn't matter. My opinion of him/her is the same -- it is a formerly banned member posting under a new ID with an axe to grind.


1. Yep the owners are really trying.

2. They made some really fundamental errors and fucked themselves the first week.

3. The ping account is two years old so it could go either way - that's enough time to have become pissed at Dave and Mike etc or it could be a retread.

4. You're missing the real pot stirrer. The mod who chose to make this an official issue instead of the off topic chat in an area not indexed by search engines it started out as.

[JoeyJoJo]

OK, I just went back and read the thread again, paying extra attention to my own posts. Could someone point out, other than my crude loaded question to ping (which was edited out by unixadmin BTW) where I was out of line? I've seen Mikkel Knight go off on a profanity-ridden tirade making my disagreements look like polite dinner conversation and it didn't generate near this level of disdain. Is it because ping is someone who is known and beloved here and I suggested that he/she is a banned member?

[grondramb]

Is it because ping is someone who is known and beloved here and I suggested that he/she is a banned member?

If that was part of the reaction then I'm guilty too. Although it could go either way, I immediately had a guess as to who Ping most likely was.
But again, two years is plenty of time to get independently pissed.

[JoeyJoJo]

Ah. So it was directed at me.


Don't ask, Don't Tell.


Well, this is the second time I've seen you point out that you weren't ping, so I guess that is that.

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

Going back to this one, I believe the last time you posted this was back at TCR, that's why you can't find it. I can't remember exactly but you posted something like "I don't know who this ping is, but I like him!"

[JYoung]

Well, this is the second time I've seen you point out that you weren't ping, so I guess that is that.

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

Going back to this one, I believe the last time you posted this was back at TCR, that's why you can't find it. I can't remember exactly but you posted something like "I don't know who this ping is, but I like him!"

I'm going to say that you remember correctly because that's how I remember it as well.

[JYoung]

I think that what's getting lost in the shuffle and frustrations is that many of these folks would actually be OK with these ads if they weren't in a sidebar column that screws up the formatting. They aren't protesting the fact that there are more ads, as much as they're protesting the placement, and that the only reasonable solution (AdBlock / RIP aside) is that they are being told to pony up $30.

I can see why they are pissed. But I don't agree with how hostile they are getting. And the lack of an answer from Capable isn't helping matters.



I think that's the crux of the matter. The sidebar ads are throwing off the formatting of the actual threads themselves and Capable's silence on this isn't helping.

If they had put an additional banner ad at the top or the bottom of the thread, I don't think people would have been as unhappy.
But the way they've done it now, perhaps people feel that Capable is saying "Your thoughts are less important then our ads" and feel slighted.

[grondramb]

Yep, that is the gist of the quote....

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o129/grondramb/tcr.gif

[pdhenry]

It's interesting to note that the people who are least bothered by the ads + pay to get rid of them are the ones who were TC Club members before the whole ad thing started. These people had already made the value decision that there was some benefit worth $30 a year and they paid.

The people who didn't pay then didn't find the value proposition. If it's not worth the cost without the ad blocking, the ad blocking benefit comes across as an extortion. What's hard to understand about that?

[ybrew]

Well, this is the second time I've seen you point out that you weren't ping, so I guess that is that.

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

Going back to this one, I believe the last time you posted this was back at TCR, that's why you can't find it. I can't remember exactly but you posted something like "I don't know who this ping is, but I like him!"

Actually the thread was here. Subject was "I like Ping"

http://www.mainsquare.org/showthread.php?t=281&highlight=ping

Thread took a very weird turn with people posting ping times. A few folks mentioned they also admired pong.
I didn't find it in my first search because I was searching THIS thread only.

[JoeyJoJo]

I coulda swore I posted this thread before but my quick search didn't find it.
Thanks for the confirmation. Thought I was going crazy.

And for the record - Not Ping.

Going back to this one, I believe the last time you posted this was back at TCR, that's why you can't find it. I can't remember exactly but you posted something like "I don't know who this ping is, but I like him!"

Actually the thread was here. Subject was "I like Ping"

Thread took a very weird turn with people posting ping times. A few folks mentioned they also admired pong.

I didn't find it in my first search because I was searching THIS thread only.


Ah, my bad. And upon further reading I apologize for accusing you of being ping.

[keirgrey]

I still like you, Joe. Even if you ARE from New Hampshire. ;)

[Michael]

I find it amazingly rude to post on TCF a way to circumvent the way TCF makes money and in effect keep the site going. People weren't happy when David ran the place and now people aren't happy that it isn't being ran the same way it was when David was in charge.

[Otto]

I have no idea what underlying subtext is going on in that thread because I do not read TC on a regular basis.

However, from that thread alone, JoeyJoJo strikes me as being kind of a dick.

Just sayin'.
... and just as a point of fact, I WAS going for a dicky posting style in response to what I considered a dickwad move by the OP (who isn't ybrew)

Well, see, there you go then. That explains it all! :)

[grondramb]

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Ah, my bad. And upon further reading I apologize for accusing you of being ping.

Posting style - Ybrew would have been a candidate - unless you knew his history, remember him discussing Ping and knew how seriously he takes telling the truth and keeping his word.

YBrew, that doesn't mean you didn't irritate the shit out of me at times but
your were always straight forward and honest about it and I give you props for that.

[grondramb]

I find it amazingly rude to post on TCF a way to circumvent the way TCF makes money and in effect keep the site going. People weren't happy when David ran the place and now people aren't happy that it isn't being ran the same way it was when David was in charge.

I was surprised to see people going into such specific over there. The regulars all have people they can ask or they can discuss it here. I don't see the point in teaching the masses to avoid the ads - its fine with me if they pay the bills over there.

And other than being stupid about dissing the Tivocon and letting the mods ban censor the term "mainsquare" and keeping Dave and Mike involved, the new owners really do seem like nice guys. They are particularly nice off of TCF. I think they realize they didn't do their full homework before the purchase.

[grondramb]

It's interesting to note that the people who are least bothered by the ads + pay to get rid of them are the ones who were TC Club members before the whole ad thing started. These people had already made the value decision that there was some benefit worth $30 a year and they paid.

The people who didn't pay then didn't find the value proposition. If it's not worth the cost without the ad blocking, the ad blocking benefit comes across as an extortion. What's hard to understand about that?

I'm with you except "the ad blocking benefit comes across as an extortion." - I'm not sure which part is the extortion.

[montag]

Joey's not a dick. Just not the brightest guy if he really thought Ping=ybrew. ;)

[pdhenry]

I'm with you except "the ad blocking benefit comes across as an extortion." - I'm not sure which part is the extortion.The part about "Give us $30 and we'll give you back the full width of your computer screen for a year."

[grondramb]

I'm with you except "the ad blocking benefit comes across as an extortion." - I'm not sure which part is the extortion.The part about "Give us $30 and we'll give you back the full width of your computer screen for a year." Oh, gotcha. Common reaction. I just wasn't reading your post that way. Sorry.

[Snowman]

To whomever is Ping. If you'd like to stir the pot further, you can mention the absolute absurdness of the alternate entry method. You send them a SASE, and they send you back the entry form. Yep, that's right, over a buck in postage to enter. They could just post an entry form to mail in, or if they're really "capable", they could give you a method to enter online. Again, just if you're interested in further stirring the pot.

[eddyj]

To whomever is Ping. If you'd like to stir the pot further, you can mention the absolute absurdness of the alternate entry method. You send them a SASE, and they send you back the entry form. Yep, that's right, over a buck in postage to enter. They could just post an entry form to mail in, or if they're really "capable", they could give you a method to enter online. Again, just if you're interested in further stirring the pot.
They don't have to make it easy, just available. If you want easy, join the fucking club. :cool:

[heySkippy]

I think the Capable people did a nice job of fixing the broken lottery situation.

[Jobeth66]

I think the Capable people did a nice job of fixing the broken lottery situation.

+1 Their solution (and the posting of official rules) is absolutely what needed to be done.

Their contest as it stood before was illegal, and I agree something needed to be done. I still don't see Ping's *initial* post as pot-stirring.

[eddyj]

I have never understood that requirement for allowing anyone to enter any contest without requiring a purchase or whatever. What's wrong to have a contest only for people who buy something? I am sure there is a reason, but I can't imagine what it is.

[Michael]

I have never understood that requirement for allowing anyone to enter any contest without requiring a purchase or whatever. What's wrong to have a contest only for people who buy something? I am sure there is a reason, but I can't imagine what it is.


Because it would then be a lottery, which is the State's job. ;)

[JoeyJoJo]

Joey's not a dick. Just not the brightest guy if he really thought Ping=ybrew. ;)

Not the brightest guy?!?!? :tickedoff:

Sometimes when you're fishing you don't know what you're going to catch.


I still love you, montag. :)

[walters]

LOL, and here's what I get for my trouble.

You have been banned for the following reason:
Previously banned member (walters)

Date the ban will be lifted: TC Club Membership Required
Click Here For Information (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/subscriptions.php?)

Check and mate. Nicely played.

It's strange that it happened literally seconds after my last post in that thread.

[mbklein]

I missed it. What'd you do? Create a new account to post under?

[walters]

BTW, two years and over 1200 innocent posts (including that thread). I'd really have thought I could have put the "David Bott is a fucking asshole" thing behind me by now, especially since he doesn't even own the forum anymore.

[walters]

I missed it. What'd you do? Create a new account to post under?

I was ping (see post above this one for more).

[JoeyJoJo]

Walters, I am very sorry that this happened. I didn't report you, but I now realize that just insinuating that you were ybrew was likely enough for them to start snooping to see who you were. I know it's of no consolation, but I am sorry about this.

[walters]

I don't blame anyone. Well, anyone outside of the petty moderator (likely Lang) who can't seem to forgive and forget even though David himself has.

[ybrew]

so wait...

If you join the tcf club, they'll reinstate you?

[walters]

so wait...

If you join the tcf club, they'll reinstate you?

That's how I read it, unless someone was just having some fun. Actually, even if they meant it I suspect they're having fun.

[Michael]

Didn't MiB get the same message when he tried his banned account?

[heySkippy]

I wonder how they knew it was you. After 2 years your IP# surely didn't give you away.

[walters]

I wonder how they knew it was you. After 2 years your IP# surely didn't give you away.

I'm sure my IP address (range) is exactly what gave it away. During work hours I come from IBM (in Raleigh, I believe), and after hours I come from a South Florida Bellsouth (now AT&T) address (actually, they can probably isolate that one to Hollywood, FL). I knew as long as I kept a low profile they'd have no reason to check the IP addresses, but if they ever decided to it wouldn't be tough to figure it out.

[mbklein]

I don't blame anyone. Well, anyone outside of the petty moderator (likely Lang) who can't seem to forgive and forget even though David himself has.

Is this what you're trying to say? -- .. -.- . / .-.. .- -. --. / .. ... / .- / ... . .-.. ..-. -....- .. -- .--. --- .-. - .- -. - / ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .-- .- -.. .-.-.-

:D

[Turtleboy]

Question:

Did Ybrew know who Ping was when he started this whole thread?

I'm inclined to think that he did, which makes him pretty dickish, as he has his own new ID there.

ybrew?

[eddyj]

They do seem to have a ridiculously long memory. I wonder if we should start a thread about an amnesty. Walters, would you mind if I used you as an example of someone that has been a good citizen for the last couple of years?

[ybrew]

Question:

Did Ybrew know who Ping was when he started this whole thread?

I'm inclined to think that he did, which makes him pretty dickish, as he has his own new ID there.

ybrew?

I had no idea who ping was when this thread was started or when I started the "I like ping" thread.

[walters]

They do seem to have a ridiculously long memory. I wonder if we should start a thread about an amnesty. Walters, would you mind if I used you as an example of someone that has been a good citizen for the last couple of years?

Not at all, but I'd somewhat advise against anyone going to bat for me (well, anyone else, that is, as Joey has sent a PM to Jeff, and I noticed macaquariumguy's subtle protest post in the contest thread). You know, guilt by association and all that.

[walters]

Question:

Did Ybrew know who Ping was when he started this whole thread?

I'm inclined to think that he did, which makes him pretty dickish, as he has his own new ID there.

ybrew?

I believe him that he didn't know, and, again, I don't blame anyone. It was my job, not anyone else's, to keep ping under the radar. I did it for over two years, but I stepped a bit too far out of the shadows with that thread and knew I was in trouble when it got moved to forum ops.

[keirgrey]

You were more subtle than John Jr in the Lou Dobbs thread, walters:

I was going to link to the post at TCF, but they've removed it. He was saying that people who allowed the government to "steamroll" them were "niggers".

Unfortunately, it came after a post by ccooperev.
(http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?u=3431)

[Angie]

You were more subtle than John Jr in the Lou Dobbs thread, walters:

I was going to link to the post at TCF, but they've removed it. He was saying that people who allowed the government to "steamroll" them were "niggers".

Unfortunately, it came after a post by ccooperev.
(http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?u=3431)

John still has a membership there? I thought he was permanently banned long ago.

[JoeyJoJo]

yes, but endersgame was not -- but is now.

[Jobeth66]

You were more subtle than John Jr in the Lou Dobbs thread, walters:

I was going to link to the post at TCF, but they've removed it. He was saying that people who allowed the government to "steamroll" them were "niggers".

Unfortunately, it came after a post by ccooperev.
(http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?u=3431)

John still has a membership there? I thought he was permanently banned long ago.

John was, but he continues to create new accounts every time one gets "discovered" and banned.

(I say "discovered" because John has a tendency to sign his posts, which makes it obvious that it's, well, John. The posts he doesn't sign, he tends to use the n-word in, and that's enough to raise suspicion, especially since the posts are generally made between 11p-4a EST. SOP for John. Sadly. :( )

[Turtleboy]

I think it would be nice if the new owners started with a "clean slate" policy for formerly banned members, including ybrew, Walters, and even JohnJr.

I bet ybrew and Walters wouldn't get banned again.

John, sadly would last about a week or so.

But I bet if the new owners did reinstate those banned members, the mods would resign en masse (not that that would be a bad thing).

[Corey140]

What bout me, TB ;)

Is JohnJr, umm...I have to look for his name but he has about 200 posts and every single one of them is about race.....*sigh*

[Gus]

Is JohnJr, umm...I have to look for his name but he has about 200 posts and every single one of them is about race.....*sigh*You're thinking of byte_me123. I don't think that's JohnJr. John isn't the only racist in the world.

[mbklein]

Otto (if you're in this thread) -- would you take the amnesty and re-up at TCF now that it's not Bott's anymore? (I'm assuming the answer is no, given that all the old mods are still there and DB is still around with some tiny bit of control...)

[Corey140]

You're thinking of byte_me123. I don't think that's JohnJr. John isn't the only racist in the world.

That's the guy...I'm shocked his account is still active on TCF....

[Angie]

You were more subtle than John Jr in the Lou Dobbs thread, walters:

I was going to link to the post at TCF, but they've removed it. He was saying that people who allowed the government to "steamroll" them were "niggers".

Unfortunately, it came after a post by ccooperev.
(http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?u=3431)

John still has a membership there? I thought he was permanently banned long ago.

John was, but he continues to create new accounts every time one gets "discovered" and banned.

(I say "discovered" because John has a tendency to sign his posts, which makes it obvious that it's, well, John. The posts he doesn't sign, he tends to use the n-word in, and that's enough to raise suspicion, especially since the posts are generally made between 11p-4a EST. SOP for John. Sadly. :( )
I figured that's what he meant, but the way it was written made me wonder.

John, man. :(

[grondramb]

so wait...

If you join the tcf club, they'll reinstate you?

That's how I read it, unless someone was just having some fun. Actually, even if they meant it I suspect they're having fun.


I'll contribute $10 of that if you want to test it.

[Makita]

Didn't MiB get the same message when he tried his banned account?
yup. I was thinking of starting a 'Lets get MiB $30.00' thread, but he has a job now, so...

[Turtleboy]

Come on, it's just a We Am Sorry mistake.

[walters]

I tested a few Bugmenot TC accounts (just to see what's going on in Happy Hour), and they all have the "subscribe to TC club" message. I suspect it's the default permaban message. Funny thing is you need to be logged in to a valid ID to be able to use the "subscribe" link, so it's sort of pointless.

[mbklein]

Does that mean that paid member accounts are ban-proof? If walters signed up as sretlaw or whatever, and joined, and made no effort to hide who he was, would he be booted?

[CatBurger00]

It's probably just an error. They wouldn't allow $30 to get rid of a permaban.

[Marc]

I suspect that what they did was modify the magic "you don't have permission to view this forum/thread" message (figuring that people would see it if they try to click on the "TC Club Members" forum and aren't otherwise subscribed).