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pgogborn
01-17-2007, 11:57 AM
...and it is not just about the risk posed by Iran, North Korea et al other proliferators, it is also about the dangers of climate change.
Times Online
January 17, 2007
Mark Bridge

The keepers of the so-called Doomsday Clock, which counts down to Armageddon, today moved its hands closer to midnight for the first time in four years to reflect the growing threats to mankind from nuclear proliferation and climate change.

In a ceremony hosted by the British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking, the minute hand was moved forwards by two minutes to stand at five minutes to midnight - the closest it has come to midnight since the Cold War arms race of the 1980s [pgogborn interjection, all news is local, in other countries there were other ceremonies hosted by other people]

"North Korea’s recent test of a nuclear weapon, Iran’s nuclear ambitions, a renewed emphasis on the military utility of nuclear weapons, the failure to adequately secure nuclear materials, and the continued presence of some 26,000 nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia are symptomatic of a failure to solve the problems posed by the most destructive technology on Earth."

The [Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists] statement continues: "The dangers posed by climate change are nearly as dire as those posed by nuclear weapons. The effects may be less dramatic in the short term than the destruction that could be wrought by nuclear explosions, but over the next three to four decades climate change could cause irremediable harm to the habitats upon which human societies depend for survival."


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full report (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2552348,00.html)
Although perhaps the BAS clock is not a particularly reliable time keeper, I reckon it got it wrong when it went backwards during the time that Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachyov was leader of the Soviet Union, I reckon it should have been going forward then, more so then than now.

pseudonym
01-17-2007, 12:07 PM
Although perhaps the BAS clock is not a particularly reliable time keeper, I reckon it got it wrong when it went backwards during the time that Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachyov was leader of the Soviet Union, I reckon it should have been going forward then, more so then than now.
Hmm. Why?

pgogborn
01-17-2007, 01:04 PM
Hmm. Why?
There was a pretty nasty moment when some Russian nationalists reacted to him by trying to stage a coup d’état - and perhaps a not entirely impossible path was some drunk bonkers Russian nationalist pressing a button to deliver a nuclear weapon.

In a bi-polar world the two super powers exercised a degree of management that kept 'minor' bad guys under control and also blocked nuclear proliferation. When the Soviet dragon was killed - a result of Gorbachyov's regime - the serpents stated to flourish (and perhaps the old Soviet regime more adequately secured nuclear materials, perhaps it would be better for us if it was still them and not us fighting Muslim militants in Afghanistan).

pgogborn
01-17-2007, 01:51 PM
^ OK, I have now tracked down an accurate quote for something that was at the back of my mind.

In 2003 at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee the incoming CIA Director James Woolsey warned "We have slain a large dragon but we now live in a jungle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes, and in many ways the dragon was easier to keep track of."

I reckon he was saying that with the collapse of the Soviet Union the threats the West would face would be less predictable and potentially more dangerous, that previously the Soviet dragon had helped keep down the snakes in their part of the forest and that the Russian Federation would be less successful at dealing with the snakes.

mercurial
01-17-2007, 02:03 PM
^ OK, I have now tracked down an accurate quote for something that was at the back of my mind.

In 2003 at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee the incoming CIA Director James Woolsey warned "We have slain a large dragon but we now live in a jungle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes, and in many ways the dragon was easier to keep track of."

I reckon he was saying that with the collapse of the Soviet Union the threats the West would face would be less predictable and potentially more dangerous, that previously the Soviet dragon had helped keep down the snakes in their part of the forest and that the Russian Federation would be less successful at dealing with the snakes.

And yet, we intentionally repeated this process...

JohnJr
01-18-2007, 10:04 PM
Nukes are the answer. :)

-John