AP - Priest: No communion for Obama supporters

DH · **AP - Priest: No communion for Obama supporters -** 11-13-2008, 10:04 PM

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COLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705755/

grondramb · 11-13-2008, 10:08 PM

I saw this - one thing that surprised me was that the priest said church law did not allow him to deny communion to parishioners... I thought they did that to Kerry in 2004.

DH · 11-13-2008, 10:09 PM

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I saw this - one thing that surprised me was that the priest said church law did not allow him to deny communion to parishioners... I thought they did that to Kerry in 2004.

Pretty sure they only "advised" him that he shouldn't.

busyba · 11-14-2008, 03:00 AM

"You voted for someone who likes to kill babies, so no cannibalism and blood-drinking for you!"

And people wonder why I think all religion is a fucking joke.

montag · 11-14-2008, 07:58 AM

100% of Catholics voted for McCain.

Jobeth66 · 11-14-2008, 08:08 AM

Heh. I'm sure the Catholic church would LOVE to think so.

eddyj · 11-14-2008, 08:10 AM

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Heh. I'm sure the Catholic church would LOVE to think so.

They know it. Because anyone else is just not a "true" Catholic. You will see this is the argument he uses.

Jobeth66 · 11-14-2008, 08:12 AM

Except the Catholic church doesn't work that way. It's kinda like being a Jet.

eddyj · 11-14-2008, 08:23 AM

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Except the Catholic church doesn't work that way. It's kinda like being a Jet.

Actually, I have seen some people claim exactly that (not sure it was montag, though), that anyone that does not follow the Church rules 100% is not a "real" Catholic.

Jobeth66 · 11-14-2008, 08:34 AM

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Except the Catholic church doesn't work that way. It's kinda like being a Jet.

Actually, I have seen some people claim exactly that (not sure it was montag, though), that anyone that does not follow the Church rules 100% is not a "real" Catholic.

The Church doesn't claim that, though. If some member of the Church wants to claim that, they can do whatever they want. Unless word comes down from the See, though...it ain't Church position. And since the Pope is the only one who gets to dictate the Church's position, whatever some parishoner or anyone else wants to believe is really irrelevant.

grondramb · 11-14-2008, 08:39 AM

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"You voted for someone who likes to kill babies, so no cannibalism and blood-drinking for you!"

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I just don't get this smiley thing... does it really make it ok to say something that hateful?

Squeak · 11-14-2008, 09:50 AM

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100% of Catholics voted for McCain.

Nope, not even close.

Squeak · 11-14-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by busyba

"You voted for someone who likes to kill babies, so no cannibalism and blood-drinking for you!"

And people wonder why I think all religion is a fucking joke.

You have heard of metaphors, right?

Jobeth66 · 11-14-2008, 09:57 AM

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"You voted for someone who likes to kill babies, so no cannibalism and blood-drinking for you!"

And people wonder why I think all religion is a fucking joke.

You have heard of metaphors, right?

?? In what way are you meaning 'metaphor'?

Busyba is exactly correct. Communion in the Catholic church is NOT a metaphor. Catholics believe in transubstantiation. - ie, the Host and wine are *literally* the body & blood of the Christ.

busyba · 11-14-2008, 12:10 PM

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Except the Catholic church doesn't work that way. It's kinda like being a Jet.

Actually, I have seen some people claim exactly that (not sure it was montag, though), that anyone that does not follow the Church rules 100% is not a "real" Catholic.

Here's what Palin has to say about that (No.... the sane one, Michael Palin):

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then,
There are those that follow Mohammed,
But I've never been one of them...

I'm a Roman Catholic, and have been since the day I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics,
Is they'll take you as soon as you're warm...

You don't have to be a six-footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on -
You're a Catholic the moment dad came...

JustAllie · 11-14-2008, 12:12 PM

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100% of Catholics voted for McCain.

Isn't he divorced and remarried?

I am not sure any of the presidential candidates would have met any rules of perfection.

busyba · 12:18 PM

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"You voted for someone who likes to kill babies, so no cannibalism and blood-drinking for you!"

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I just don't get this smiley thing... does it really make it ok to say something that hateful?

How is that hateful? It's a perfectly accurate paraphrasing of the stated position.

(Although I will agree that calling pro-life candidates "baby-killers" is pretty hateful, but they're the ones saying it, I'm just quoting them.)

I can see how the "fucking joke" part of my statement can be considered hateful, but you edited it out of the quote.

And this post is especially humorous coming from you, given the combination of your posts about Islam and your posts where you accuse people who don't agree with you of having double standards.

JustAllie · 11-14-2008, 12:22 PM

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Communion in the Catholic church is NOT a metaphor. Catholics believe in transubstantiation. - ie, the Host and wine are *literally* the body & blood of the Christ.

And Jesus offered the first communion to Judas, who he knew was about to betray him, and to Peter, who he knew was about to deny him three times.

This is why I've never understood the Catholic approach to holy communion. Why put a barrier in the way of anyone seeking redemption and a connection to God? But my church views the holy communion differently than the Roman Catholic church.

JYoung · 11-14-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jobeth66

Communion in the Catholic church is NOT a metaphor. Catholics believe in transubstantiation. - ie, the Host and wine are *literally* the body & blood of the Christ.

And Jesus offered the first communion to Judas, who he knew was about to betray him, and to Peter, who he knew was about to deny him three times.

This is why I've never understood the Catholic approach to holy communion. Why put a barrier in the way of anyone seeking redemption and a connection to God? But my church views the holy communion differently than the Roman Catholic church.

The idea is you need to be forgiven for your sins first through the Sacrament of confession, then you can receive communion first.

Although I wonder if voting for Obama is a venial sin (which doesn't require confession and is covered in the forgiveness rite in Mass) or a mortal sin (requiring the sacrament of the Confessional booth).

busyba · 11-14-2008, 01:48 PM

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Although I wonder if voting for Obama is a venial sin (which doesn't require confession and is covered in the forgiveness rite in Mass) or a mortal sin (requiring the sacrament of the Confessional booth).

I'm sure they'll declare it to be the eigth Deadly Sin.

I also heard a rumor that the next Harry Potter book is going to declare voting for McCain to be the fourth Unforgivable Curse.

retrodog · 11-14-2008, 02:01 PM

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"You voted for someone who likes to kill babies, so no cannibalism and blood-drinking for you!"

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I just don't get this smiley thing... does it really make it ok to say something that hateful?

How is that hateful? It's a perfectly accurate paraphrasing of the stated position.

(Although I will agree that calling pro-life candidates "baby-killers" is pretty hateful, but they're the ones saying it, I'm just quoting them.)

I can see how the "fucking joke" part of my statement can be considered hateful, but you edited it out of the quote.

And this post is especially humorous coming from you, given the combination of your posts about Islam and your posts where you accuse people who don't agree with you of having double standards.

I think he's referring to your remarks of insuniating that the wafer and wine (or grajejuice or whatever) are actual human body parts and blood, while they are only meant to represent it and remind the person of that which was given by Jesus. A pretty asinine remark to make.

But I'm not catholic so I don't care. Or at least I didn't feel insulted by it. I just thought it was pretty stupid.

busyba · 11-14-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by grondramb

I just don't get this smiley thing... does it really make it ok to say something that hateful?

How is that hateful? It's a perfectly accurate paraphrasing of the stated position.

(Although I will agree that calling pro-life candidates "baby-killers" is pretty hateful, but they're the ones saying it, I'm just quoting them.)

I can see how the "fucking joke" part of my statement can be considered hateful, but you edited it out of the quote.

And this post is especially humorous coming from you, given the combination of your posts about Islam and your posts where you accuse people who don't agree with you of having double standards.

I think he's referring to your remarks of insuniating that the wafer and wine (or grajejuice or whatever) are actual human body parts and blood, while they are only meant to represent it and remind the person of that which was given by Jesus. A pretty asinine remark to make.

But I'm not catholic so I don't care. Or at least I didn't feel insulted by it. I just thought it was pretty stupid.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation so you can enjoy the irony of your throwing terms like "asinine" and "stupid" around.

retrodog · 11-14-2008, 02:11 PM

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How is that hateful? It's a perfectly accurate paraphrasing of the stated position.

(Although I will agree that calling pro-life candidates "baby-killers" is pretty hateful, but they're the ones saying it, I'm just quoting them.)

I can see how the "fucking joke" part of my statement can be considered hateful, but you edited it out of the quote.

And this post is especially humorous coming from you, given the combination of your posts about Islam and your posts where you accuse people who don't agree with you of having double standards.

I think he's referring to your remarks of insuniating that the wafer and wine (or grajejuice or whatever) are actual human body parts and blood, while they are only meant to represent it and remind the person of that which was given by Jesus. A pretty asinine remark to make.

But I'm not catholic so I don't care. Or at least I didn't feel insulted by it. I just thought it was pretty stupid.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation so you can enjoy the irony of your throwing terms like "asinine" and "stupid" around.

Silly boy. That is no more than an elaborate explanation of how the bread and wine take on the representation of the embodiment of Jesus. They do not actually change their molecular structure. It's a representation of Jesus' body and blood, not actual canabalism. So yes, it was a stupid (or at least terribly rude) thing to say.

busyba · 11-14-2008, 02:18 PM

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I think he's referring to your remarks of insuniating that the wafer and wine (or grajejuice or whatever) are actual human body parts and blood, while they are only meant to represent it and remind the person of that which was given by Jesus. A pretty asinine remark to make.

But I'm not catholic so I don't care. Or at least I didn't feel insulted by it. I just thought it was pretty stupid.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation so you can enjoy the irony of your throwing terms like "asinine" and "stupid" around.

Silly boy. That is no more than an elaborate explanation of how the bread and wine take on the representation of the embodiment of Jesus. They do not actually change their molecular structure. It's a representation of Jesus' body and blood, not actual canabalism. So yes, it was a stupid (or at least terribly rude) thing to say.

No.

Go back and read it again, only slower this time.

JoeyJoJo · 11-14-2008, 02:20 PM

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I think he's referring to your remarks of insuniating that the wafer and wine (or grajejuice or whatever) are actual human body parts and blood, while they are only meant to represent it and remind the person of that which was given by Jesus. A pretty asinine remark to make.

But I'm not catholic so I don't care. Or at least I didn't feel insulted by it. I just thought it was pretty stupid.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation so you can enjoy the irony of your throwing terms like "asinine" and "stupid" around.

Silly boy. That is no more than an elaborate explanation of how the bread and wine take on the representation of the embodiment of Jesus. They do not actually change their molecular structure. It's a representation of Jesus' body and blood, not actual canabalism. So yes, it was a stupid (or at least terribly rude) thing to say.

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